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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilldare.com/2008/09/17/the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-adverbs/comment-page-1/#comment-24704</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 20:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike are you implying my opinion is invalid because I&#039;m a blogger?</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...said the blogger.</description>
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		<title>By: Kef Schecter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kef Schecter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old post, but it&#039;s the first google hit for &quot;The road to hell is paved with adverbs&quot;, so I&#039;ll respond anyway.

Although I agree with King&#039;s advice in general, I wouldn&#039;t take it to extremes. I think adverbs are problematic for two reasons:
1. They often tell instead of show.
2. They often violate &quot;omit needless words&quot;.

Take &quot;often&quot; in the above two sentences. That&#039;s an adverb, but it would be hard to excise. I can&#039;t omit it, because then the statements would be wrong: sometimes they don&#039;t violate either rule. (&quot;Sometimes&quot; is another adverb!) Any paraphrase of the word &quot;often&quot; would make the text verbose to avoid an adverb, which is silly. &quot;Vigorous writing is concise,&quot; says Strunk &amp; White.

I could, of course, rephrase with something like &quot;They might tell instead of show&quot;, but then I am still accomplishing nothing but replacing the adverb with something else. It doesn&#039;t improve the text.

Adverbs are not problems. Adverbs are &lt;em&gt;symptoms&lt;/em&gt;. They say, &quot;Hey, you might want to take a closer look to make sure this is the best way to say this.&quot; They are often right. But if you think a passage without an adverb is better because it avoids an adverb, you are fooling yourself: either you are ignoring the underlying problem, or there is no underlying problem.

Compare &quot;he smiled menacingly&quot; and &quot;he had a menacing smile&quot;. The second one may not leap out at you as much as the first since it doesn&#039;t have an adverb, but it says the same thing. If the first is a problem, so is the second. The adverb only leaps out at you because you&#039;ve trained yourself to hate adverbs. That&#039;s not to say that &quot;he smiled menacingly&quot; can&#039;t be improved upon, but rather the problem isn&#039;t the adverb.

In the Klosterman passage -- which I agree does overuse adverbs, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s horrible for it -- you highlighted the word &quot;jointly&quot;. It is, after all, an adverb. But I think it is the least egregious adverb in the text, because it adds information, not just color: it means the two churches combined their efforts, rather than petitioning separately. (&quot;Separately&quot; is another unavoidable adverb.) You could argue that, say, &quot;joined forces to petition&quot; is better than &quot;jointly petitioned&quot;, but in some contexts this might sound overdramatic (but perhaps not in the Klosterman example).

I also believe that character dialogue can get away with using more adverbs, because, well, people use them. It makes dialogue sound more natural, and I think sometimes the weakening effect of the adverbs is desirable. A character saying &quot;I really don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good idea&quot; sounds less blunt than if he said &quot;I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a good idea&quot;, even though he&#039;s emphasizing how good it isn&#039;t.

By the way, I think adverbs are at their best when they actually contradict the word or phrase they modify. My favorite example is from Douglas Adams: &quot;Here the man in blue crimplene accosted us once more but we patiently explained to him that he could fuck off.&quot; The sentence would lose so much if you removed the word &quot;patiently&quot;.

- Kef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, but it&#8217;s the first google hit for &#8220;The road to hell is paved with adverbs&#8221;, so I&#8217;ll respond anyway.</p>
<p>Although I agree with King&#8217;s advice in general, I wouldn&#8217;t take it to extremes. I think adverbs are problematic for two reasons:<br />
1. They often tell instead of show.<br />
2. They often violate &#8220;omit needless words&#8221;.</p>
<p>Take &#8220;often&#8221; in the above two sentences. That&#8217;s an adverb, but it would be hard to excise. I can&#8217;t omit it, because then the statements would be wrong: sometimes they don&#8217;t violate either rule. (&#8220;Sometimes&#8221; is another adverb!) Any paraphrase of the word &#8220;often&#8221; would make the text verbose to avoid an adverb, which is silly. &#8220;Vigorous writing is concise,&#8221; says Strunk &amp; White.</p>
<p>I could, of course, rephrase with something like &#8220;They might tell instead of show&#8221;, but then I am still accomplishing nothing but replacing the adverb with something else. It doesn&#8217;t improve the text.</p>
<p>Adverbs are not problems. Adverbs are <em>symptoms</em>. They say, &#8220;Hey, you might want to take a closer look to make sure this is the best way to say this.&#8221; They are often right. But if you think a passage without an adverb is better because it avoids an adverb, you are fooling yourself: either you are ignoring the underlying problem, or there is no underlying problem.</p>
<p>Compare &#8220;he smiled menacingly&#8221; and &#8220;he had a menacing smile&#8221;. The second one may not leap out at you as much as the first since it doesn&#8217;t have an adverb, but it says the same thing. If the first is a problem, so is the second. The adverb only leaps out at you because you&#8217;ve trained yourself to hate adverbs. That&#8217;s not to say that &#8220;he smiled menacingly&#8221; can&#8217;t be improved upon, but rather the problem isn&#8217;t the adverb.</p>
<p>In the Klosterman passage &#8212; which I agree does overuse adverbs, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s horrible for it &#8212; you highlighted the word &#8220;jointly&#8221;. It is, after all, an adverb. But I think it is the least egregious adverb in the text, because it adds information, not just color: it means the two churches combined their efforts, rather than petitioning separately. (&#8220;Separately&#8221; is another unavoidable adverb.) You could argue that, say, &#8220;joined forces to petition&#8221; is better than &#8220;jointly petitioned&#8221;, but in some contexts this might sound overdramatic (but perhaps not in the Klosterman example).</p>
<p>I also believe that character dialogue can get away with using more adverbs, because, well, people use them. It makes dialogue sound more natural, and I think sometimes the weakening effect of the adverbs is desirable. A character saying &#8220;I really don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good idea&#8221; sounds less blunt than if he said &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good idea&#8221;, even though he&#8217;s emphasizing how good it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>By the way, I think adverbs are at their best when they actually contradict the word or phrase they modify. My favorite example is from Douglas Adams: &#8220;Here the man in blue crimplene accosted us once more but we patiently explained to him that he could fuck off.&#8221; The sentence would lose so much if you removed the word &#8220;patiently&#8221;.</p>
<p>- Kef</p>
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		<title>By: F. Scott Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Scott Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Klosterman went overboard in the passage you provided, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with the routine use of adverbs. Need proof? Pick up a copy of The Great Gatsby, This Side of Paradise, or anything else by Fitzgerald.

When it comes to something as creative and expressive as fiction writing, sweeping generalizations shouldn&#039;t be applied as doctrine. Adverbs can make or break a composition, but there&#039;s no rule as to how many or when they should be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Klosterman went overboard in the passage you provided, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the routine use of adverbs. Need proof? Pick up a copy of The Great Gatsby, This Side of Paradise, or anything else by Fitzgerald.</p>
<p>When it comes to something as creative and expressive as fiction writing, sweeping generalizations shouldn&#8217;t be applied as doctrine. Adverbs can make or break a composition, but there&#8217;s no rule as to how many or when they should be used.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s good for you. Way to make disparaging assumptions about my writing based on what I said about adverbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s good for you. Way to make disparaging assumptions about my writing based on what I said about adverbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using adverbs the way some unsuccessful writer in a fiction class told you to is a great way to write like every other writer.

I prefer to write beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using adverbs the way some unsuccessful writer in a fiction class told you to is a great way to write like every other writer.</p>
<p>I prefer to write beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
		<link>http://www.iwilldare.com/2008/09/17/the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-adverbs/comment-page-1/#comment-22138</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I am guilty of that in my blogging too. A big fan of clearly and obviously, here. I should practice what I preach. However, in my fiction I rarely (heh) use adverbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I am guilty of that in my blogging too. A big fan of clearly and obviously, here. I should practice what I preach. However, in my fiction I rarely (heh) use adverbs.</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself using &quot;apparently&quot; and &quot;really&quot; on my blog lately, but I try to tell myself I&#039;m being ironic so it&#039;s OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself using &#8220;apparently&#8221; and &#8220;really&#8221; on my blog lately, but I try to tell myself I&#8217;m being ironic so it&#8217;s OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 06:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read Klosterman in spite of his sentence structure.  I do enjoy the ideas he has, but that&#039;s much easier to handle with non-fiction (where it has struck me that the only thing his editor does is make sure there&#039;s no egregious typos--must be a cushy paycheck).  

I wasn&#039;t planning on taking on this attempt at fiction anyway, but now I&#039;m definitely staying away.  

Crap.  I threw an adverb in there.  It&#039;s infectious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Klosterman in spite of his sentence structure.  I do enjoy the ideas he has, but that&#8217;s much easier to handle with non-fiction (where it has struck me that the only thing his editor does is make sure there&#8217;s no egregious typos&#8211;must be a cushy paycheck).  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t planning on taking on this attempt at fiction anyway, but now I&#8217;m definitely staying away.  </p>
<p>Crap.  I threw an adverb in there.  It&#8217;s infectious.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klosterman, as far as I know, has only released one piece of fiction, an unreadable short story that appears at the end of Klosterman IV.

His sentence structure is repetitious! In fact in dialog, all his characters tend to repeat themselves. It&#039;s a bit on the annoying side. 

You are so right on the tell vs. show. That&#039;s what this is. It feels really rookie fiction-y to me -- the kind of stuff that I workshop in class all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klosterman, as far as I know, has only released one piece of fiction, an unreadable short story that appears at the end of Klosterman IV.</p>
<p>His sentence structure is repetitious! In fact in dialog, all his characters tend to repeat themselves. It&#8217;s a bit on the annoying side. </p>
<p>You are so right on the tell vs. show. That&#8217;s what this is. It feels really rookie fiction-y to me &#8212; the kind of stuff that I workshop in class all the time.</p>
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